Patrice Gordon and Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic: How can we become more competent leaders?

Part 1 of the TED Radio Hour episode What Leadership Looks Like

Executive coach Patrice Gordon had an unusual opportunity: to mentor her own CEO. Organizational psychologist Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic says that feedback is valuable for building competent leaders.

About Patrice Gordon

Patrice Gordon is an executive coach and a personal development advocate. She also currently leads joint venture relationships for the airline company Virgin Atlantic. Gordon served as the reverse mentor for the then-CEO of Virgin Atlantic. Also trained as a chartered accountant, Gordon has worked with a variety of businesses, including the airline and logistics industry where she worked in commercial finance.

In 2019, Gordon was named a EMpower Ethnic Minority Future Leader and in 2020 she was recognized by WeAreTheCity as a Rising Star within transport and logistics. Her upcoming book is Reverse Mentoring: Removing Barriers and Building Belonging in the Workplace.

About Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic

Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic is an organizational psychologist, author and entrepreneur. He's the Chief Talent Scientist at Manpower Group, a company focused on workforce solutions, and he's the co-founder of Deeper Signals and Metaprofiling, two psychological profiling organizations. He also serves as a professor of business psychology at University College London and Columbia University.

Chamorro-Premuzic has published 10 books, including Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders?, as well as more than 150 scientific papers on the psychology of talent, leadership and innovation.

This segment of TED Radio Hour was produced by Fiona Geiran and James Delahoussaye and edited by Katie Simon. You can follow us on Twitter @TEDRadioHour and email us at TEDRadio@npr.org. [Copyright 2022 NPR]